The Northern Agrarian


Ralph Nader for President
October 3, 2008, 7:29 pm
Filed under: Conservatism, Election

No rightward-thinking person is ever comfortable in the company of Reds. I was a contented and passionate Ron Paul supporter during the primaries, and I remain an unapologetic admirer of the man and his accomplishments during the primaries. But even in a campaign I supported wholeheartedly, the “9/11 Truth” wackos and militia types left me a bit uncomfortable. If one of the unavoidable facts of endorsing a Presidential candidate is the necessity of dealing with some unsavory fellow supporters, nothing challenges the tenacity of a traditionalist, Old Right conservative more than the socialists and beatniks that hitch their wagon on the Nader campaign. But in an election year with two horribly unacceptable candidates, a wealth of knowledge and understanding can be found amongst a supposed man of the Left. The two most obvious conservative alternatives, Libertarian candidate Bob Barr and Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin, are unacceptable for a few reasons.

Bob Barr is very clearly an opportunistic man. Whereas Paul was a terrible politician with earnest passion in his cause and in possession of sincere goals, Barr has been a political chameleon for years. Swept into office during the 1994 “Republican Revolution,” Barr carved a political career during the 90s as a Drug-warrior (even as far as keeping medical marijuana illegal), author of the “Defense of Marriage Act” in 1996, a supporter of the PATRIOT Act after 9/11, a supporter of the Iraq War Resolution in 2002, and was the author of a silly ban on Wiccan practitioners in the military. He has since renounced his views on each of those subjects, opposing the Drug War, federal legislation protecting marriage, the PATRIOT Act and the Iraq War. Republicans rightly attacked Kerry for his lack of political principle, and Barr deserves similar scrutiny.

Chuck Baldwin represents ideological purity for traditionalist conservatives but is accompanied by some serious problems as well. His desire to reopen the investigation into 9/11 is an early warning sign, and further investigation reveals radical comments on 9/11 as “punishment from God for American sin” and his numerous affiliations with anti-Catholic and anti-Semitic characters in radical Baptist circles. Character counts in a candidate, and his tendency towards the support of extremist theories is enough to worry any clear-headed intellectual. Neither a political chameleon nor a radical conspiracy theorist, Ralph Nader offers a conservative alternative.

That being said, there is more to supporting a Nader candidacy than settling for a third-party candidate not named Barr or Baldwin. Nader is a clear and articulate voice for the small-is-beautiful, “Come Home America” Old Right. While both major candidates debate the issue of American intervention abroad form the Old Left, Neo-Wilsonian perspective, sparring over how many years in Iraq are appropriate while not even addressing the vast American Imperium upon which the sun never sets, Nader hopes to return to a humble foreign policy. While “conservative” John McCain has more in common with the leftist Progressive Godfather Woodrow Wilson and foreign-provocateur FDR than with “Mr. Republican” Robert A. Taft, the “leftist” Nader offers a chance to return to traditional conservative foreign policy . Wilsonian progressivism, so arrogant in its stifling of civil liberties and constitutional freedoms that it made Bush look like an attorney for the ACLU, has now become a staple of the Right. But Nader wants to end both foreign-policy products of that ugly word, “Progressive.”

On economics, Nader–an enemy of the large and friend of the small–even discusses the threat big business and big government has on competitive markets:

Concentrated corporate power violates many principles of capitalism. For example, under capitalism, owners control their property. Under multinational corporations, the shareholders don’t control their corporation. Under capitalism, if you can’t make the market respond, you sink. Under big business, you don’t go bankrupt; you go to Washington for a bailout. Under capitalism, there is supposed to be freedom of contract. When was the last time you negotiated a contract with banks or auto dealers? They are all fine-print contracts. The law of contracts has been wiped out for 99 percent of contracts that ordinary consumers sign on to. Capitalism is supposed to be based on law and order. Corporations get away with corporate crime, fraud, and abuse. And finally, capitalism is premised on a level playing field; the most meritorious is supposed to win. Tell that to a small inventor or a small business up against McDonald’s or a software programmer up against Microsoft.

Giant multinational corporations have no allegiance to any country or community other than to control them or abandon them. So what we have now is the merger of big business and big government to further subsidize costs or eliminate risks or guarantee profits by our government.”

Even movement, populist conservatives have reasons to support Nader. While the major candidates bow at the alter of Israel, supporting billions in aid without any check on where it goes and unwilling to sheath their sabers in regards to Iran, Nader represents real, productive change on the topics. While both candidates pucker up to La Raza and have no concern about vast amnesty programs and open borders, Nader takes a surprising stand against both. On immigration:

“This is very difficult because you are giving a green light to cross the border illegally. I don’t like the idea of legalization because then the question is how do you prevent the next wave and the next?

We have to control our immigration. We have to limit the number of people who come into this country illegally. First of all, we have to say what is the impact on African-Americans and Hispanic Americans in this country in terms of wages of our present stance on immigration? It is a wage-depressing policy, which is why the Chambers of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers, Tyson Foods, and the Wall Street Journal like it. The AFL-CIO has no objection to it because they think they can organize the illegal workers because they have been so inept at organizing other workers.”

Conservatives find themselves in the wilderness again. It could be argued that true conservatism never quite found its way out. But now conservatives face another election where key issues are left unaddressed by major candidates. While Bush deficits spiral out of control, neither candidate offers a real solution. Nader offers a conservative alternative, eliminating the income tax for people making under $100,000 a year, and cutting it for those above while simultaneously cutting the ridiculous amounts spent overseas on foreign adventures. Conservatives are upset about billions of tax dollars being used to bailout Corporate Republican fat-cats, undermining capitalism and market competition. Conservatives are wary of any policy that takes power out of the hands of Americans and into the hands of foreign governments and bureaucrats, and Nader hopes to roll back the sovereignty-shredding WTO and NAFTA. Patriotic conservatives worry about millions of jobs and billions of dollars going to Communist China. Federalist conservatives want more state power and less federal power; in education, in the economy, in privacy and social issues. A Nader presidency would deliver conservatives from the wilderness that finds them with all of these concerns and no answers.

But beyond a policy based argument, Nader speaks to the heart of conservatism. Maybe not mainstream conservatism, but a conservatism separated from mass-consumerism and talk-radio, Fox News demagoguery. A candidate that is an enemy of corporate America and a friend of the environment is not a pinko-commie, but a conservative.

“The resources of nature, like those of spirit, are running out, and
all that a conscientious man can aspire to be is a literal
conservative, hoarding what remains of culture and of natural wealth
against the fierce appetites of modern life.”
-Russell Kirk

Is there a candidate speaking more directly to America-First, localist, populist, agrarian conservatism than Ralph Nader? I think not. Go, Ralph, go!


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This is ridiculous Patrick! Ralph Nader is unwilling to do anything about the slaughter of innocent unborns. Don’t talk to me about character. Nothing Baldwin could do would indicate the moral blind spot that turning a blind eye to dead babies does. Nader means well and seems a decent guy by leftist standards, but he is blinded by his leftism. He claims to be a Christian but he is unwilling to defend innocents and he is a typical liberal on gays. I’m sorry, but those are not negotiable positions for a Christian.

While it is probably unwise to speculate that any particular disaster is the consequence of sin, read the Old Testament. It is full of examples of problems befalling Israel and other nations due to its corporate national sin. To reject that such things could happen is to reject the Bible.

And Baldwin has not endorsed 9/11 conspiracy theories. He has said he doesn’t know, and is open to a new investigation. Being open to a new investigation, as Ron Paul was, seems necessary considering the commonness of such views on the dissident right and is essentially harmless.

As for Catholics (where did that come from?), Baldwin is an Independent Fundamental Baptist. As such, he clearly believes that Catholics get some things wrong, and they get soteriology seriously wrong. Sola fide hardly seems a trivial incidental. But traditionalist Catholics return the favor toward us “heretical” Protestants. Baldwin has actually fallen all over himself to be ecumenical. I think this is partially because he is a pastor and figured it would come up and partially to smooth over and help unite the Mormons in the CP after the disaster of Tampa.

And anti-Semitism? Where the heck did that come from and what are you even talking about? Again as a conservative Protestant, Baldwin obviously believes that Jews need to accept Jesus as their savior (Is that what you are talking about?) but so do Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc. Since Baldwin is a dispensational pre-mil, he has been accused of being too philo-Semitic by the anti-dispensational obsessives. He can’t be both.

Again, what associations could Baldwin have that would be as morally compromising as the baby killer crowd?

Comment by Red Phillips

His associations with folks like Jerome Corsi are enough for me to brand him an extremist, or at least a man comfortable in the company of extremists. It is worth pointing out that I never accused Baldwin of being anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic, just that his associations are worrisome.

I do not need a lecture on the Old Testament. What I find laughable is that every time a disaster befalls this or any other country, religious nutjobs are waiting in the wings to talk Soddom and Gomorrah. I recognize God’s prerogative to punish sin in this world. I also understand that men, independent of God’s will, can perpetrate an evil act on other men without divine intervention. The more we talk about God’s role, the less effective we will be in actually addressing the cause of the attacks: American arrogance around the world.

As for the abortion issue, it certainly is a difficult one. But as easy as it would be to write a candidate off because of an ideological disagreement on the issue, I’d rather look at what kind of role the President is actually going to have, and how a President Nader would treat the issue. A devout localist and believer in small, local control, he has said himself that overturning Roe would not be a big deal, because it would return authority to the states, something he does not see as particularly dangerous.

I stand with Andrew Bacevich (although not with the same candidate) in believing that American moral fiber is taking a bigger hit because of our foreign adventures than due to the abortion issue. We have elected devout pro-lifers for years and never seen an end to Roe. It is an issue “conservative” candidates trot out to sucker us into voting for a bad candidate every election.

Comment by Patrick J. Ford

Did I argue with you under another name recently?

I am sorry for my rather intemperate remarks above. I personally think Baldwin is a very good candidate and deserves more respect from paleos. That he is not getting it has been VERY frustrating to me so I popped off.

Jerome Corsi is a columnist for WND, a best selling author, and by alternative right standards a rather high profile conservative “celebrity.” He publicly endorsed Baldwin on Larry King and several other shows, and he talks up the Constitution Party frequently. What would you have Baldwin do? Give him the stiff arm? I really don’t get all the Corsi angst. I do not think Corsi taints Baldwin. He is right on sovereignty issues, and he is right to warn of a NAU, even if the NAU may not be as tight an actuality as Corsi portrays. That the globalist would love an EU style arrangement in North America is certain. Baldwin agrees with him on the NAU.

Corsi was very wrong to fret and hand wring about Iran as much as he did. But he is actually backing off his implied interventionism of the past as he associates more with the non-interventionist right. I very much opposed Corsi as a potential nominee of the CP because of his past reckless comments about Iran. But Chuck disagrees with him on this, and it is very clear he does.

I have not followed the issues with Corsi’s Obama book which seems to be the issue with some. I don’t know if he deliberately embellished or not, but even if he had, would that be as bad as agitating for war with Iran? (He co-wrote a book about a nuclear Iran.) And that wouldn’t keep me from associating with him. You just have to make the differences plain.

By tainted figure standards, Corsi seems rather tame to me. Seriously, why all the Corsi hand wringing? I don’t get it?

Comment by Red Phillips

From CHT:

“His associations with folks like Jerome Corsi are enough for me to brand him an extremist, or at least a man comfortable in the company of extremists.”

Patrick, we are all extremists. Extremism is a matter of perspective. By the standards of the mainstream GOP centric conservative movement, this website is extremist. Your website is extremist. Ron Paul is extremist. Talking about the Fed and gold is extremist. Actually wanting to follow the Constitution is extremist. Anyone who entertains third party voting is an extremist. This is very unfortunate but true.

Third Party, alternative, dissident, outside the mainstream, far etc. politics is a dirty business. It is, by its very nature, going to attract elements that are not conventional. Some unsavory. Some well-meaning but misguided. Some correct. Despite my paragraph above, I do think I know what you mean by extremist. I don’t think I’m one. I don’t think you are one. I don’t think Ron Paul is one. And I don’t think Corsi is one. (Corsi’s views on Iran are very troublesome, but so are McCain’s and Palin’s.) But I think being able to be “comfortable in the company of extremist” is virtually part of the job description of a Third Party candidate. For the foreseeable future, there can be no alternative right movement that doesn’t include conspiracy theorist and “militia” types. A movement of thoughtful, pristine paleos would be able to meet in a phone booth. As the pseudo-right is exposed and our ideas are normalized, the movement will broaden and “normalize.”

Comment by Red Phillips

You are an anti-baptist catholic bigot

no true conservative would support Ralph Nader even though he is correct on a few issues. His solution is always more government. The enemy of big international corporations is not big goverment (like Ralph think)but small nationalistic governments.

Comment by David from texas

” It is worth pointing out that I never accused Baldwin of being anti-Semitic or anti-Catholic, just that his associations are worrisome.”

With that, you are imposing a religion test for public office. It is perfectly acceptable for a person to within the context of his own deeply held religious views oppose religious views that he does not agree with. Besides, people who play this card are often hypocritical. You stated “anti – Semitic” and “anti – Catholic” but not “ANTI – MUSLIM.” Why is that? Why should a Protestant pay any more respect to Judaism or Roman Catholicism than he does to Islam? And by the way, Ralph Nader has been accused of anti – Semitism and has a LONG HISTORY of hanging out with the huge band of anti – Semites on the loony left.

Comment by soldierservant

David,

I am not an anti-baptist bigot. I dislike Corsi because he called all Catholics “boy-buggers.” Doesn’t that make him a bigot? My best friend is a Baptist, and although we have had theological disagreements, they never go further than that.

soldierservant,

How am I imposing a religion text? I am saying I do not like associating with candidates that have ties to religious bigots. I would state anti-Muslim if I disagreed with his particular views on Islam. And as for Nader’s anti-Semitic claims, they basically are rooted in his desire to cut funding to Israel. On that note, I am anti-Semitic. Don’t tell all my Jewish friends!

Comment by Patrick J. Ford

I’m rather disappointed by the level of discourse that this lucid, cogent, and thoughtful, even if controversial, post has elicited. Red, I do believe that you offer some quite fair, reasonable points; however, as wholly as I agree with you — and, to be fair, Patrick, too — vis-à-vis abortion, I must contend that, sad as it is, we have little choice but to broaden the purview of our consideration. Baldwin’s troublesome views on Iran should suffice for anyone who believes in “A Republic, if you can keep it” to view him just as hesitantly as Nader. Notwithstanding some of the questionable anti-Catholic/Jewish associations to which Patrick alludes, and further notwithstanding his seemingly positive relationship with Corsi, a first-rate smear artist, behind the reprehensible Swift Boat advertisements, whom Ross Douthat, Peter Wehner, Jon Henke, and John Hawkins all have denounced, the tired God-is-punishing-America truly ought to frighten the hell out of any conservative.

No, Nader’s not perfect; he’s not even great. He is, however, sound on the many issues that Patrick lists and isn’t easily associated with anti-religious baggage that Baldwin, the ostensibly preferably choice, is.

Comment by nathancontramundi

Nathan, what is troublesome about Baldwin’s views on Iran? Baldwin is a non-interventionist. It is Corsi who was always fear mongering about Iran?

Patrick, is it helpful to use language like “religious nut jobs?” Again, anyone who takes their religion seriously and actually believes it to be true is a religious nut job in the estimation of many.

Baldwin is an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The church I attend could be fairly described that way as well. Do you think IFBs are “radical” by their very nature? You seem to? Now I know Independent Baptists have been known to get wrapped around the axel over non-essential issue, but if anything regarding politics they are generally sadly conventional. Pro-war and in the tank for the GOP.

Comment by Red Phillips

It may not be “helpful” but in my own estimation it is appropriate. I understand the negative association the phrase has, indeed I have been called the same by a fellow college student during a debate when I confessed that I carry a rosary with me whenever I travel from home. But at the same time, those that impulsively account for destruction at the hands of men with evil intentions as the “wrath of God” will receive little sympathy from me, and will almost never yield a held-tongue.

My criticism of Baldwin’s associations and his statements on these topics is not a conviction of “Independent Fundamental Baptism.” Rather, I treat his words as his own, and his friends as their own, and make a judgment. I think some IFBs are radical, and some are not. I have similar opinions in most religions.

That being said, I agree with much that you have said about the abortion topic. My endorsement, however, has come having weighed the pros and cons of every candidate, and in my opinion a good one is not to be found. It is what are–again, in my estimation–radical (often religious) statements on significant events of the past and associations with radical characters that have left me convinced that Baldwin, as Nathan said the “ostensibly preferable choice,” should not be seriously considered for high office.

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